April 21, 2004
The Rapture
Syndromes asked me:
Do you believe in 'the rapture' and things like that? I'd like to talk to a fundamentalist a bit to get a better feel for where they're coming from.
Hmmm...where to start? Well, first of all, I probably wouldn't be considered a "Fundamentalist". A more accurate classification for me would be "Evangelical". Both groups consider the Bible to be the inerrant Word of God, but "Fundamentalists" demand a level of literalness that not all "Evangelicals" demand. Also, Fundamentalism denotes a certain level of militancy which is not implied by Evangelicalism.
While I do believe that everything that the Bible affirms is true, I don't believe that everything in the Bible is meant to be taken literally. Determining what is meant to be literal and what is meant to be figurative or spiritual can be quite difficult.
While virtually all Fundamentalists and most Evangelicals are politically conservative, I am politically rather liberal. But that is a topic for another post.
Though I am not a Fundamentalist, I am quite familiar with their frame of mind. I have been surrounded with Fundamentalists in the past and I go to school with a number of them right now. So while I can't answer Syndrome's questions as a Fundamentalist, I can still present their mindset if he is still interested.
But the question isn't "What do Fundamentalists believe about the rapture?", it is "Do I believe in the Rapture?".
Allow me to dodge yet again. Regarding the period of time commonly known as the "End Times", the only belief that I hold very tightly is my belief that Jesus is coming again. Everything else, from the time and manner of His return, to the timing and nature of the tribulation and/or millenium, to the rapture and the new heavens and new earth are all topics where I hold my beliefs very lightly because I feel the Bible doesn't comment on them in a very concrete manner. As a result of the vague and heavily symbolic language regarding the End Times, we can know little for sure about the events surrounding the Return of the King (that being Jesus in this case, not Aragorn).
(For those who have the burning need to know my lightly held beliefs and are familiar with the jargon, I am post-trib, pre-mill. Though a friend of mine has proposed a new theory which is convincing to me; it would require a new classification, probably something like post-trib, post-post-mill.)
So. Returning to the question of the Rapture. Do I believe in it? Sure. But as for the timing or the nature of the Rapture, I have no idea. My picture of the End Times looks nothing like the one presented in the "Left Behind" series, though I was brought up in a church that would fully endorse that series.
(Syndromes: does that answer your question? Do you want more of a Fundamentalist point-of-view? For Pete's sake, drop me an email so I can discuss more privately. Or IM me or something.)
- wink [April 21, 2004 08:44 PM]enoch choi says:
yeah for politically liberal moral conservatives!
Jeremy Pierce says:
The post-post-mill label seems a little strange to me. Postmillenialism and amillenialism are basically the same view structurally, with some minor differences about whether things will get better or worse before Christ's return. Both say the millenial period in Revelation 20 is going on now and isn't literally a millenium but is the church age. Both identify the second coming with the rapture. Given that the names are really misnomers, I'm not sure how adding a 'post' to one of them does anything.
So I'm curious to see what this view is supposed to be. I can't even imagine what such a name would be getting at.
syndromes says:
Sorry it took me so long to get back to ya on this :) I guess what i'm most curious about (and that the fundamentalists seem to be particularly keen on from what I saw on 60 minutes) is that absolutely everyone who doesn't believe in God/Jesus is going to be melting in a pool of their own flesh when the Rapture occurs.
I personally have a tough time believing in such a thing, but then again I don't believe in the Bible either. So I was just curious how much leway there was in the fundamentalist community regarding the Rapture. Ie; Will people be given a chance to repent when Jesus returns? Or is it too late at that point to accept him?
Feel free to answer in email if you'd prefer, though I like public forums like this (so long as they don't turn into a flame war). I'm syndromes at my domain if you like :) Thanks for answering. Religion intrigues me :)